FFXIV VERSUS: Black Mage vs Summoner vs Red Mage (Caster VERSUS, Shadowbringers Edition)

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Thanks to Ignis Fairfun for their footage in the SMN/RDM sections!


Black Mage - 0:39
Summoner - 9:17
Red Mage - 14:45

Коментара: 584
dwayne johnson
dwayne johnson Пре 23 минута
Blue mage needs a buff. I want it taken seriously as a healer/debuff class
Avidyā Пре 12 дана
Lol VER-suss.
Reoden Пре 25 дана
Thanks for these they have been quite helpful as someone new to the game to get a feel for each class before committing. I had seen another guide when I started and I thought I'd like Bard, Lancer, Summoner, and Paladin, but I do enjoy busy playstyles so Lancer has left me wanting. Happy with all those classes from what I've seen in your guides as well. Will pick up the Ninja instead of Lancer since that seems to be a very active role and looks fun. Thanks!
Caelan Locke
Caelan Locke Пре месец
I wanna level my summoner up hut its gonna change in 2 weeks so figure u night as well wait
kokayi Newsome
kokayi Newsome Пре месец
When Time Mage?
ArchaeoMech Пре месец
Oddly enough this convinced me to go with Red Mage. :p Though I think Dragoon is still going to be my main, RDM is a ton of fun; I just think that Dragoon fits me more.
Azure Пре месец
Shoot, I’m just gonna play all 3 with BLM being my main caster class.
Rasmus Nielsen
Rasmus Nielsen Пре 2 месеца
I started playing ffxiv for 2-3 months ago, and has since been trying many jobs (classes) For caster jobs, do i place it in this way. Red Mages are for casual players, Black Mages are for skilled players with much knowledge about the fights, and Summoner are for players that like complicated things
mytube Пре 2 месеца
Red mage is the best, easy rotation,
Ryan Clemons
Ryan Clemons Пре 2 месеца
Red Mage is probably my favorite caster. The animations are slick, and, as someone who switches the job they want to "main" constantly, red mage kind of has something akin to a few other classes, so it stays fresh to me.
Giancarlo Niccolai
Giancarlo Niccolai Пре 3 месеца
As others have pointed out, I think RDS is the perfect DPS class to pick up if you main a thank or a healer. Tired to slug in solo content with your WHM? Pick up a RDM and just slide through it. Also, RDM needs macros to be used effectively. If you macro correctly jolt on verstone/verfire, and acceleration on verareo/verthunder, you hardly ever hit an imbalance. Burst, mobility and utility means you'll cut 4-man content like a hot knife in butter. I agree it shines less than other DPS in hard raids, but the emergency heal and revive are usually very welcome, and it's top tier in daily 4-man content, that you still want to run at endgame. I often removed a quarter or even halved 4-man bosses with the initial burst, and that's a great accelerator to go through that grindy content.
KristiLee Пре 3 месеца
You sound just like the “what to buy at Amazon” dude
Nicholas Graves
Nicholas Graves Пре 3 месеца
You're absolutely entitled to your opinion, but last I checked RDM was the most popular caster by a mile. Whether this is because it is in fact a bit easier to pick up than the other two is a possibility, but people don't play things unless they enjoy them, so I'd wager most people think it is fun to play.
tony slark
tony slark Пре 3 месеца
wooo summoners we did it bois haha I main summoner to me funnest class.
Pastalegion Пре 3 месеца
You can't hide from blue mage forever
Powerup Pikawho
Powerup Pikawho Пре 3 месеца
As a BLM main, there is no feeling on this earth more satisfying than scoring that 130K Dcrit.
TTabood Пре 3 месеца
So RDM's lack of 'rigidity' makes it boring. Gotcha. Personally I love RDM. I gave it a shot because of it's superior mobility but honestly I just love the way it operates.
Crow of Cainhurst
Crow of Cainhurst Пре 3 месеца
Summoner is basically a god. Crazy damage, high mobility, party buff, can rez party, can tank a bit in titan mode. My top dps job and the job I chose for high end content like savage and ultimates.
Manticore Phantom
Manticore Phantom Пре 3 месеца
Blu... better
Lemon Bready
Lemon Bready Пре 3 месеца
Not me actually getting confused when you were emphasizing three. Like...yeah, three. Three ca-oh, BLU, right.
fluff dafire
fluff dafire Пре 3 месеца
I love the redmage job as since I was little I always enjoyed the sword mage style of combat mixing magic and weaponry together just is really funny I me
Downy Kitten
Downy Kitten Пре 3 месеца
Scathe is for finishing mobs in party when you have < 3 sec left to land a blow or for FATEs when everything gets hosed in a group and you just need to tag mobs once for the rewards.
Superintendent Chalmers
Superintendent Chalmers Пре 3 месеца
I like the RDM because it brings a lot of utility to a situation with the ability to heal and insta raise. I've had so many occasions where me and my Red Mage have saved a raid from wiping simply because of that insta raise.
Reynaldo Lazaro
Reynaldo Lazaro Пре 3 месеца
Desagree ._. on everything!!!!
KingBlackthorn Пре 3 месеца
I myself only use red mage when I want to play casters because I just do not like how slow Black Mage is and Summoner just does not appeal to me. I love Red Mage being both melee and ranged. It is just a fun combo to do. Like “hey I am sick of playing ranged, let me jump in and do some melee damage”. I don’t know it feels so unique compared to the others.
Riley Minard
Riley Minard Пре 3 месеца
i love black mage, just feels so solid.
Ricardo Almeida
Ricardo Almeida Пре 3 месеца
I prefer melee dps from the dps classes and I'm looking to level up a caster. I think I'll go red mage since it's the closest to my type and I don't want something extra complicated to deal with xD i hate lack of movement
Akua Пре 4 месеца
I’m of the opposite opinion lol, I hated black mage and I loved red mage instead. I’ve played very lil with summoner, but hey, different spokes for different folks.
Jamie Anderson
Jamie Anderson Пре 4 месеца
I’ve watched this a few times now. I can’t agree with the comments on red mage at all. ‘Doesn’t have much utility’... it’s a Resurrection machine. Plus embolden and double hits of Vercure making it an impromptu healer in a pinch mean it has quite a lot of utility compared to the other two. The dps is definitely not as good and the comment about lucid dreaming is spot on though. And I fully appreciate this is just your thoughts on the jobs 🍻
Ernan Dalcolmo
Ernan Dalcolmo Пре 4 месеца
You forgot to say that black mages have no mobility at ALL. Triple cast is always on CD and we never use this skill to move. And most of the time when we move as black mages we need to go to ice phase, again, even if our mana is high.
Mrhappy1227 Пре 4 месеца
Black Mage is considered to be the second most mobile caster behind Summoner, though the Reprise changes on Red Mage give them some leeway nowadays. An experienced Black Mage plans their Triple/Swifts for individual fights and doesn't just use them because the opener says to/on cooldown.
TheJohnmcclane0077 Пре 4 месеца
Thank you. Just hit the 70s w/ BM and realized how I needed to rework my rotations…again. Out of all the classes I feel like BM rotation evolves the most not only by adding stuff to the mix but making you move the other parts around. But it is sad having a few moves that get left behind when I like try to be able to utilize the entire kit of a class. And I don’t think I’ve ever touched BLZD2.
Ja'Mel Giddens
Ja'Mel Giddens Пре 4 месеца
#show blue some love
Autumn Willow
Autumn Willow Пре 4 месеца
"Saves you from being on the front page of Reddit" I think my hunter in WoW made it on there already when I accidentally disengaged off Icecrown Citadel 🤣 Great video. Thinking about either leveling as a BLM or tank class, picking up RDM as an side job
Nick C Buchholz
Nick C Buchholz Пре 4 месеца
In a dungeon for the first time and one of the other party members used the acronym box what is it
Catherine Hutton
Catherine Hutton Пре 4 месеца
I like the summoner but i noticed in long time fight i miss a lot of mana ?
Acrox Shadow
Acrox Shadow Пре 4 месеца
Scathe is nice for saving a couple of seconds to finish off weak enemies earlier on, and Sleep is pretty much mandatory for some solo quests.
Jason Larson
Jason Larson Пре 4 месеца
summoner pets suck ass they can't hold agro so kind of pointless solo which makes it HARD as hell for noobs. I think red mage IS the hardest to learn as you have to balance both white/red PERFECTLY if not you get punished.
Superintendent Chalmers
Superintendent Chalmers Пре 3 месеца
Its not that difficult to balance them you get a 30 mana leeway. And can afford to go one step over if the next cast brings you within 30 again. I've actually found the red mage the easiest to learn. All you need to know is "Quick spells first, long spells second. Unless you're starting the fight then you can splurge and initiate with a slow cast.
Tentacles Пре 4 месеца
To me black mage is a no-no. One of the only 2 jobs I dislike alongside monk. Sum is complicated but varied, and leveling 2 classes as one make it worth it.
Trevor Ouellette
Trevor Ouellette Пре 4 месеца
Why does everyone hate blue mage i dont understand all this unjustified hate twords it makes me want to play it.
ApostateJusticar Пре 4 месеца
The red mage hate is verREAL.
Killer Rune
Killer Rune Пре 4 месеца
Black mage seems to o work just like it does in ff4. Show up, blow up, get killed, get Rez, blow up.
Melissa G
Melissa G Пре 4 месеца
Ty for this. I'm new and starting out. I had no idea that the black mage was such a power house. I was playing her all wrong!!! I could tell I wasn't making the most of her spells but after watching this and spending the day redoing my bars and having some practice time on a dummy, this really has helped so so much. TY!
LXIX Пре 5 месеци
For those looking for a challenge and selfish dps. I recommend BLM.
Saimeren Пре 5 месеци
How do you decide which abilities go on which slots on your bars? How do you keep them simple/similar across all your jobs?
ItsKonami Пре 5 месеци
im a simp for SMN, i love that class owo
TinyboxTim Пре 5 месеци
Um…what’s a dot?🥲
Raging Oracle
Raging Oracle Пре 5 месеци
Another Banger!!!
SevenSecondsArise Пре 5 месеци
I leveled up Summoner indecently because I’m a Scholar main. I’m trying to figure out which caster I should level up next.
Captain Butt
Captain Butt Пре 5 месеци
I'm glad you finished Red Mage by saying that you don't think it's fun because I thought it was just me. Red Mage has always been my favorite FF job ever since I saw it for the first time in Tactics Advance, and it's pretty much the reason I started playing FFXIV. That being said, I...I just don't have any fun playing it, I don't know why. It looks cool, it has an interesing concept in this game despite not being the same as in other games, but I just don't have fun playing it and it sucks to feel this way...
museves Пре 5 месеци
I came here to find out differences in classes, but I learnt the rotation I have been doing wrong all along
godofm3tal1 Пре 5 месеци
scathe is an amazing ability for finishing off trash. when you're in content and mobs are at such low hp your cast time is longer than their life expectancy, you use scathe to quickly add your damage into the ring and burst them down. who the hell said never use that skill?
Silver Aeterna
Silver Aeterna Пре 6 месеци
Like samurai, the black mage's utility is its dps. I have noticed that the less utility a job has, the more dps it does compared to other jobs within its role (other examples of this are MCH and WHM). In these cases the job's dps becomes their utility and balances with the jobs with more traditional utility. IMO
Guillermo Oliva III
Guillermo Oliva III Пре 6 месеци
I think, I know where I stand in term of magical DPS . . . . (EDIT) you guys down there are forgetting that the game is not done yet .. . . . . . the Jobs are not in its full potential technically at this point. Also, please keep in mind for all of you down here that view and opinion are very different to all that play this game, therefore please be respectful and reasonable.
Lot 504
Lot 504 Пре 6 месеци
Summoner gang 🔥
Ricardo Correa
Ricardo Correa Пре 6 месеци
Haven’t played yet but definitely playing Red Mage/Blue Mage. I love Jester type characters that go from sneaky to refined fancy combat. Can’t look fancier than a Red Mage. Haha
cobwebsalad Пре 6 месеци
BLM 4 life
Darken Croix
Darken Croix Пре 6 месеци
This video: Which one is for you? Me: Why not all of them? Plus Blue Mage. Release the BLU.
Skyhijinx Пре 6 месеци
I love my Red Mage, and it kinda bums me out that people often look at it like a dollar store caster. Oh well, I enjoy it.
Vili Forsell
Vili Forsell Пре 6 месеци
Egis can be switched to carbuncles with a lvl 50 SMN quest, tho
Judgement0s Пре 6 месеци
RDM not fun?? wat???? I know its just personal taste, but its the most mobile caster and you get a taste of both magic and melee and still get to provide solid party support. RDM chain rezes are also a godsend both for saving from wipes and also just taking some of the mana load off of your healers. Also, nah, selfishly use Embolden every time. It only buffs melee party (and diminishes over time) so its party uses are situational. Get it in sync with your Manafication CD and you've got more burst damage. Also RDM LB3 *chef's kiss*. IDC if your eyes are bleeding. I'll do it again.
patrick watkins
patrick watkins Пре 7 месеци
having played both summoner and black mage i think i enjoy black mage way more.
eitughtueir Пре 7 месеци
So, which job should you take if you want a black mage later... or which job for a red mage later?
Kyle Пре 7 месеци
one con to smn . . . . the awkwardness with keybinds. . . namely flare, trances, and enkindles . . . and it's kind of odd that outburst is what takes over for the phoenix 2nd skill instead of ruin II/IV. . . almost need to macro those 3 skills together with the delay be damned.
Andrew Wilson
Andrew Wilson Пре 8 месеци
3 caster jobs? We will not be ignored...
Breyer Kinzer
Breyer Kinzer Пре 8 месеци
Me, a brand new level 16 conjurer watching this 😲😳😰
Nick H
Nick H Пре 8 месеци
Lv 52 blm here, and watching the high level rotations have me anxious 😅
F34RDSoldier805 Пре 9 месеци
I think Blue Mage wins this one.
Sothros Пре 9 месеци
so, i wanna try either blm or smn. I main ast and whm so this will be my first dps caster. I like the blm spell style but I'm concerned about the static playstyle bc there are many boss mechanics where you have to keep moving.
ArmyRetGuy Пре 9 месеци
Red Mage gets a pimp hat, so clear winner....
Daniel Raithofer
Daniel Raithofer Пре 9 месеци
*ver-angry redmage ver-main noises*
Paul Scarnechia
Paul Scarnechia Пре 9 месеци
Arch Magus
Arch Magus Пре 9 месеци
Caster main here. My experiences: SMN is the easiest to level BLM has the highest skill ceiling RDM has the most utility Though, of them all, so far, it seems like SMN has the most mobility and the extra rez has been CLUTCH
Bharbara Wyrstwaemasyn
Bharbara Wyrstwaemasyn Пре 10 месеци
Rdm's just too stylish. Haters just be jealous how we tank the floor with style. 👟🤸‍♂️💀👌
Yes Boy
Yes Boy Пре 10 месеци
I don't know if it was different when the video released, but Summoners do have access to Swiftcast. I actually use it in a macro I've got set up w/ Swiftcast and Resurrection
Robert Пре 10 месеци
Don't really like casters but RDM is easily the most fun of the 3. It's really not even close.
Mai Rebelo
Mai Rebelo Пре 10 месеци
As a main healer, RDM is the perfect option when I'm too much of a chicken to heal or don't feel confident in my ability to not die
Neldolas Пре 10 месеци
For future reference MrHappy, Fleche rhymes with Flesh ;)
Erin Пре 11 месеци
It's interesting that you note that Rdm has lots of depth since compared to pretty much any other job it really doesn't. I can still hit orange level parses in savage parses using a Blm build somehow and I take it way less seriously. It's....kind of a joke. The job just feels kinda underdeveloped, which is a shame. The theme is insanely cool and I love everything about it aesthetically. But it just feels like the main gameplay loop just doesn't have any real nuance to it. Optimization on it is way easier compared to even other easy jobs like Dnc or Mch. I'm really hoping to see some unique skills that build/spend mana in more interactive ways rather than keeping the job as rigid and one dimensional as it is now.
Arch Magus
Arch Magus Пре годину
Scathe's best is for farming low level crafting materials
Mii Boi
Mii Boi Пре годину
I know this video is 7 months old, but i watched this video to look at the caster jobs atm i played tanks and Melee Dps like Samurai and Paladin. For me personally i reckon i would pick up Summoner and Red Mage. Im not a fan of Sitting Still in a fight which is one of the reasons why I wouldn't play Black Mage. Good job on this video man Very Descriptive and Entertaining to watch
Will's Word
Will's Word Пре годину
with Final Fantasy X as my favorite entry I am glad for Summoner.
caroinez Пре годину
I started out with WHM; did the whole msq with it. Finished ShB and started leveling RDM. I don’t care what anyone says or if it’s to easy blah blah. RDM is so fun to play! I’m looking forward to working towards mastering that class. I haven’t played any other classes so I can’t comment on those.
Marcel Langevin
Marcel Langevin Пре годину
For me, Red Mage is made by its attitude. I may have fewer buttons to press, but it is so much fun for me knowing that I am that “oh sht” button. Plus... style.
ZeVio74 Пре годину
I mainly play SMN, but god damn is BLM satisfying at lvl 80, when you time Leyline correctly *blow kiss*
Rusty Shackleford
Rusty Shackleford Пре годину
I gave up on summoner on storm blood but shadowbringers is a lot better for smn
Andrew Dodds
Andrew Dodds Пре годину
Ohhhh no all the edgy explosion boys are gonna be maddddd at you
evilkoolaidman1 Пре годину
Redmage isn't boring :(
Roasty Toasty
Roasty Toasty Пре годину
You said 1 thing. 1 single thing that makes me question your take on Red Mage. They are lacking Flair... FLAIR. The 1 thing everybody praises Red Mage for. BOI
OzBoeJo Пре годину
Summoner needs to stay on top for these 2 expacks, after how crap they were in ARR and Heavensward they deserve to sit that high for at least this expack. They can lose it all in 6.0 but for right now they need to sit there
NeonSuspenders Пре годину
I personally like Rdm. Easy to get into, difficult to master. Plus hat, can't forget the hat.
Barnaby Swift
Barnaby Swift Пре годину
I have found a single use for scathe in current end game content! When you're in the puppets bunker raid and you're on the final trash mob section before the final boss, in the corridor with all the death balls and barrier fences. You have to move so often in the corridor to avoid stuff that you will basically never get time to do a full fire 4 cast, so instead you can just spam scathe while in umbral ice and use xenoglossy or scourge when available. Other than that, yeah, never use this skill. I've been playing black mage exclusively since the 2.0 launch. No idea at the time how high the skill ceiling would get for this class but I'd never change now. It's so satisfying.
Adam Пре годину
I respectfully disagree with you with Red Mage, I LOVE the flavor and it's so fun to me. But that's also my personal opinion.
Teo’li Пре годину
The rigidity of SMN is one reason I love it. Jobs with lots of procs and RNG abilities stress me out. 😓
Mr.Deathly Пре годину
Thanks you for making this video testing the game out with the trial to see if I like it,and appreciate the detail and depth you put into describing these classes :)
Stephanos René
Stephanos René Пре годину
14:45 emote? :-o
Jacob Newblood
Jacob Newblood Пре 8 месеци
Red Mage Victory Pose
August Martin
August Martin Пре годину
i really just,,,cannot wrap my mind around BLm
zohawn Пре годину
did you do a 2020 vid for the melees? i cant find it
Crazyshark95 Пре годину
No he hasn't, Unfortunately he is more quantity than quality with what he uploads.
Doc Hardin
Doc Hardin Пре годину
I main rdm so i disagree
7 Sins
7 Sins Пре годину
so not much has changed about BLM since HW other than new skills. good to know as i am getting back into the game having not played since then.
Silver Man
Silver Man Пре годину
As a Machinist main I really love Red Mage, fun, quick and VERsatile (pun intended) definitely best job to transition into from melee/range to caster
Andy Пре 3 месеца
As a main Dancer i agree!
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